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Post by lew on Aug 3, 2023 4:02:09 GMT
I deeply loath adaptions of books, films, songs too, into comics. What a complete waste of the artists time, the money, the materials. I can think of nothing as demeaning as this. There are a few exceptions, I'm sure. My one is KC Green's Pinocchio pino.kcgreendotcom.com/ genuinely funny, great cartooning, but it has a cartoon history! The book itself is like a cartoon! The worst gift I was ever given was a twee adaption of the Great Gatsby populated by anthropomorphic sea creatures. I'm sure it was written all over my face when I opened it. I held onto that book for too long before given myself the satisfaction of binning it. |
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Post by Ian M on Aug 3, 2023 5:02:04 GMT
Some of the past decade of indie work (D&Q, Fantagraphics, and Koyama) feels like the emperors new clothes to me.. So much of it looks neat, but reading it feels like chewing bubble gum. John Pham's J&K would be the peak of this. I liked everything about it on the surface, and found reading it a chore. I was also lectured by someone for saying it disappointed me, and that I, a Gen X-er, couldn't understand slackerdom.
It's not for me
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Post by owaddled on Aug 3, 2023 14:16:17 GMT
I deeply loath adaptions of books, films, songs too, into comics. What a complete waste of the artists time, the money, the materials. I can think of nothing as demeaning as this. There are a few exceptions, I'm sure. My one is KC Green's Pinocchio pino.kcgreendotcom.com/ genuinely funny, great cartooning, but it has a cartoon history! The book itself is like a cartoon! Thanks for the link to the Pinocchio comic it looks quite fun. Just curious have you read Tim Hensley's Detention No. 2 or any of Richard Corben's three adaptations of The Raven? I'm with you that film adaptations generally feel like a waste. The Bissette/Veitch adaptation of 1941 and Kirby's 2001 might be the exceptions. I kinda think there should be more adaptations of prose into comics. Especially books that haven't been adapted to other visual media before. Drawing comics seems hard enough to ask every cartoonist to also come up with their own stories. Though now that I think of it, I wonder if obtaining the rights to do an adaptation is any easier than working with a writer?...guess that's what public domain is for. Just ask Walt Disney! |
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Post by eheitner on Aug 3, 2023 14:44:54 GMT
I kinda think there should be more adaptations of prose into comics. Especially books that haven't been adapted to other visual media before. Drawing comics seems hard enough to ask every cartoonist to also come up with their own stories. Though now that I think of it, I wonder if obtaining the rights to do an adaptation is any easier than working with a writer?...guess that's what public domain is for. Just ask Walt Disney! This is getting off topic but I wonder why there aren't more adaptations of stage plays into comics. Seems like an ideal collaboration although it would quickly separate the wheat from the chaff of the artists.... |
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Post by grubcubman on Aug 3, 2023 15:55:26 GMT
I deeply loath adaptions of books, films, songs too, into comics. What a complete waste of the artists time, the money, the materials. I can think of nothing as demeaning as this. There are a few exceptions, I'm sure. My one is KC Green's Pinocchio pino.kcgreendotcom.com/ genuinely funny, great cartooning, but it has a cartoon history! The book itself is like a cartoon! The worst gift I was ever given was a twee adaption of the Great Gatsby populated by anthropomorphic sea creatures. I'm sure it was written all over my face when I opened it. I held onto that book for too long before given myself the satisfaction of binning it. I initially read the end as "burning it." |
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Post by robindh on Aug 3, 2023 16:10:18 GMT
I kinda think there should be more adaptations of prose into comics. Especially books that haven't been adapted to other visual media before. Drawing comics seems hard enough to ask every cartoonist to also come up with their own stories. Though now that I think of it, I wonder if obtaining the rights to do an adaptation is any easier than working with a writer?...guess that's what public domain is for. Just ask Walt Disney! This is getting off topic but I wonder why there aren't more adaptations of stage plays into comics. Seems like an ideal collaboration although it would quickly separate the wheat from the chaff of the artists.... I was wondering about this too. I've been thinking a lot about connections between drama and comics after seeing Brecht referenced in a comic review (for use of the 'distancing-effect'), so I got some Brecht from the library and it seems he's far from ideal for adaptation into comics, lots of words, long diatribes, little in the way of movement but it would probably be an interesting challenge. I want to get more into drama in general so I'll definitely check out some other writers.
On the topic of stage-play adaptations in comics, I recently read Javi Rey's adaptation of Henrik Ibsen's An Enemy of The People which I wasn't crazy about but Rey's approach to the adaptation was interesting, it reads very well. My problems probably stem from the original play rather than the comic.
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Post by lew on Aug 5, 2023 6:24:01 GMT
Thanks for the link to the Pinocchio comic it looks quite fun. Just curious have you read Tim Hensley's Detention No. 2 or any of Richard Corben's three adaptations of The Raven? I'm with you that film adaptations generally feel like a waste. The Bissette/Veitch adaptation of 1941 and Kirby's 2001 might be the exceptions. I kinda think there should be more adaptations of prose into comics. Especially books that haven't been adapted to other visual media before. Drawing comics seems hard enough to ask every cartoonist to also come up with their own stories. Though now that I think of it, I wonder if obtaining the rights to do an adaptation is any easier than working with a writer?...guess that's what public domain is for. Just ask Walt Disney! I haven't read those books, of course Corben's would be incredible. Hensley, i can take or leave, the lines are amazing and sometimes I think they are good cartoons, but I don't know that I like his work as comics. This is probably my real cred wrecking opinion right? But the 2001 Kirby I have read, and of course it gets a pass. Although it does feel like its more inspired by the movie than a straight adaption, which is probably how it should always be. Like what is it to cartoonify/comicfy something? Certainly its more than just frame by frame break down of the action and dialogue.
Are you referring to the review of Ivana Filipovich's book at tcj? It quotes her as saying Chekhov is a major influence. I can't wait to get a copy of that book of hers. Her early line work looks increddddibbllleeee!
It really is an interesting challenge. You'd have to have your 'actors' acting pretty well! And frame them well, and give just enough dialogue in each panel to push you along without getting weighed down. I'm trying to work on a story at the moment and pondering, how to push it along with just two characters talking to each other?
That Rey book looks like its drawn and coloured beautifully. Will have to check out.
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Post by robindh on Aug 5, 2023 11:43:57 GMT
Are you referring to the review of Ivana Filipovich's book at tcj? It quotes her as saying Chekhov is a major influence. I can't wait to get a copy of that book of hers. Her early line work looks increddddibbllleeee!
It really is an interesting challenge. You'd have to have your 'actors' acting pretty well! And frame them well, and give just enough dialogue in each panel to push you along without getting weighed down. I'm trying to work on a story at the moment and pondering, how to push it along with just two characters talking to each other?
That Rey book looks like its drawn and coloured beautifully. Will have to check out.
No, referring to a forward to a collection of Spanish art-comics legend Micharmut's comics by Jesús Cuadrado. I was curious about that Filipovich book, more-so now with the Chekhov connection. I think Stuart Immonen's comics with his wife Kathryn are a good example of making a 'comics-as-theater' approach work and read well. Moving Pictures is a lot of talking with very theater-like framing, and Russian Olive to Red King (unfortunately OOP) quotes Chekhov. Both highly recommended, though Pictures is a lot more affordable. |
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Post by GHO on Aug 5, 2023 14:45:09 GMT
Peter Bagge. I used to really like his comics when I first started reading comics but now they just feel so whiny and dated, not in like a 1920s racist kind of way more like "a oh the color on this is so 90s" "as is the dialogue as is the endless stream of words". His style is ok but gets old after a while. A lot of people who's opinions I respect absolutely love the guy, I just can't get on board with it. Also his randian stuff pushes me away, and it really comes through in his whole body of work. If I want ayn rand yelling at me i'll just read MR. A.
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Post by arecomicsevengood on Aug 17, 2023 2:26:06 GMT
Going off the "not liking adaptations" talk, has anyone read any of that Classics Illustrated series First did circa 1990? The highest profile would be the Sienkiewicz Moby Dick, but there was also a Kyle Baker Through The Looking Glass, Gahan Wilson doing The Devil's Dictionary and Poe stuff, Peter Kuper doing The Jungle, P Craig Russell stuff. I have no idea how any of these are.
I would also say that the Winschluss Pinocchio book was good.
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Post by nate on Aug 17, 2023 2:59:43 GMT
I still haven’t finished My Favorite Thing Is Monsters, but I did finish the five years later Legion if Superheroes. This seems like a genuine failing on my part.
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Post by eheitner on Aug 17, 2023 13:13:03 GMT
Going off the "not liking adaptations" talk, has anyone read any of that Classics Illustrated series First did circa 1990? The highest profile would be the Sienkiewicz Moby Dick, but there was also a Kyle Baker Through The Looking Glass, Gahan Wilson doing The Devil's Dictionary and Poe stuff, Peter Kuper doing The Jungle, P Craig Russell stuff. I have no idea how any of these are. I would also say that the Winschluss Pinocchio book was good. I like Kuper's Jungle! Wisely he reallllllly pares down the story, so a lot gets left out, and his art is just so cool to look at. I didn't love his adaptation of "Heart of Darkness" as much, felt like it didn't really add anything to the text, and I need to go back and read/reread his Kafka adaptations. |
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Post by junkflower on Aug 17, 2023 16:14:19 GMT
I still haven’t finished My Favorite Thing Is Monsters, but I did finish the five years later Legion if Superheroes. This seems like a genuine failing on my part. Man... I love the 5YL storyline... |
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Post by robindh on Aug 18, 2023 11:39:59 GMT
Going off the "not liking adaptations" talk, has anyone read any of that Classics Illustrated series First did circa 1990? The highest profile would be the Sienkiewicz Moby Dick, but there was also a Kyle Baker Through The Looking Glass, Gahan Wilson doing The Devil's Dictionary and Poe stuff, Peter Kuper doing The Jungle, P Craig Russell stuff. I have no idea how any of these are. I would also say that the Winschluss Pinocchio book was good. I really liked the Kyle Baker one. Also Tom Shapira has a nice write-up of the Sienkiewicz on TCJ, along with a bunch of other Moby-dick adaptations: www.tcj.com/this-elusive-quality-moby-dick-on-the-comics-page/ |
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Post by disneyweirdness on Aug 18, 2023 16:07:00 GMT
Going off the "not liking adaptations" talk, has anyone read any of that Classics Illustrated series First did circa 1990? The highest profile would be the Sienkiewicz Moby Dick, but there was also a Kyle Baker Through The Looking Glass, Gahan Wilson doing The Devil's Dictionary and Poe stuff, Peter Kuper doing The Jungle, P Craig Russell stuff. I have no idea how any of these are. I would also say that the Winschluss Pinocchio book was good. I really liked the Kyle Baker one. Also Tom Shapira has a nice write-up of the Sienkiewicz on TCJ, along with a bunch of other Moby-dick adaptations: www.tcj.com/this-elusive-quality-moby-dick-on-the-comics-page/I wish I'd known about these a couple years ago, when I was slowly grinding my way through the novel. I am a fast reader in general, but it took like 9 months of bedtimes to get through that beast. And I liked it! I have the version with the great Tony Millionaire cover. |
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