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Post by cmautner on Mar 21, 2024 15:18:03 GMT
I've been reading Mary Fleener's Life of the Party and I loved it so much. I've been thinking of tracking down some Slutburger issues. Or does Life of the Party contains the stories from Slutburger? Anybody knows? Life of the Party does indeed contain most of the Slutburger material, though I don't know if it contains ALL of it.
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Post by arecomicsevengood on Mar 21, 2024 18:02:05 GMT
Checked out Chris Oliveros' Are You Willing To Die For The Cause from the library, largely due to the recommendation of this forum's Ethan Heitner. It is cool - documentary style, with lots of talking heads, but also scenes recreating what is being described, the sorta Pascal Girard style cartooning placing conflicting recollections on the same plain. Not really dynamic, but readable - in keeping with the dramatic sense of the self-importance of the revolutionaries given the scale of their place in history.
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Post by dominocorp on Mar 23, 2024 6:51:28 GMT
Reread Alan Moore and Eddie Campbell's Snakes and Ladders, because I teach it in class and have done so every year since 2019. I really think young people's comic tastes are changing because gradually every year people get more into this very complicated work. In 2019 it was pulling teeth to get students to look past the style, now they genuinely LIKE the style. I think this is because it's not the YA computer colored tone that they're now sick of, that maybe their older sibling liked. I think my generation has a lot of older people who pretend to like American YA style out of a 'comics need young readers' mindset, but at some point that YA tone becomes dated and young readers reject it. YA is so narrow that finding interest in something as expansive as Snakes and Ladders makes sense.
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Post by awfulquiet on Mar 24, 2024 23:42:00 GMT
Just finished reading "Anna" by Mia Oberlander. Fun book, very appealing artwork. I like the towns looking like she was just working through Ed Emberley books.
I think they have really oversold the story though.
"an audacious allegory of female resistance and radical acceptance"
"Anna is a tongue-in-cheek, modern-day fairy tale about being “too big” for a narrow-minded world."
None of that really came through. It's just some slice of life vignettes but sometimes one of the characters is very tall. It's fun visually. Maybe something got lost in the translation. Or maybe I'm too dense.
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Post by GHO on Mar 25, 2024 21:24:59 GMT
recently i've been absolutely engrossed by feininger's comics ever since i got the giant forgotten fantasy book by sunday press. I wanted to ask how many people have read feininger's comics and how many people hold them with as much esteem as I do. I think the pages he created have a power that is very had to come by and find and equivalent to. I have to look far and wide to find and aesthetic experience that is as powerful as those pages are to me. this is not me saying in anyway that "comics these days just don't have that same feeling". i just think the diverging histories of comics have left us in a place that doesn't hold up work like this to an audience. And seeing the failure of the chicago sunday tribune around this period it might be true that this kind of storytelling didn't hold up then either. I think austin hit the nail perfect when he said,
"Here's a reason why: Feininger's characters aren't engaged in a simulation of reality, and their purpose isn't to tell you a clear story. Instead, they offer a different view of what cartooning could have been. Movement, exploring environments, sounds, color are what's happening here. And the loose narrative whips you around a world to confront you with these sensations."
I think this is why I fell in love with comics as a medium in the first place. not because of its narrative qualities but instead because of travel that comics create. it's the chance for exploration and really "true fantasy" that is instantaneous and all encompassing.
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Post by dominocorp on Mar 25, 2024 23:31:29 GMT
recently i've been absolutely engrossed by feininger's comics ever since i got the giant forgotten fantasy book by sunday press. I wanted to ask how many people have read feininger's comics and how many people hold them with as much esteem as I do. I think the pages he created have a power that is very had to come by and find and equivalent to. I have to look far and wide to find and aesthetic experience that is as powerful as those pages are to me. this is not me saying in anyway that "comics these days just don't have that same feeling". i just think the diverging histories of comics have left us in a place that doesn't hold up work like this to an audience. And seeing the failure of the chicago sunday tribune around this period it might be true that this kind of storytelling didn't hold up then either. I think austin hit the nail perfect when he said, "Here's a reason why: Feininger's characters aren't engaged in a simulation of reality, and their purpose isn't to tell you a clear story. Instead, they offer a different view of what cartooning could have been. Movement, exploring environments, sounds, color are what's happening here. And the loose narrative whips you around a world to confront you with these sensations." I think this is why I fell in love with comics as a medium in the first place. not because of its narrative qualities but instead because of travel that comics create. it's the chance for exploration and really "true fantasy" that is instantaneous and all encompassing. George, did you ever read my endless debate about feininger herriman caniff with Dan Nadel in the comments here: www.tcj.com/caniff-in-the-21st-century/
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Post by GHO on Mar 26, 2024 2:32:01 GMT
no I haven't, thank you so much for this Austin. this post was actually spurred by my third reading of your feininger's grandkids article.
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Post by slugfizz on Mar 26, 2024 2:59:57 GMT
Library books
Bingeing on Brubaker/Phillips
Favorite of theirs:"The Fade Out." Old Hollywood plus noir. Brubaker said he didn't expect the subject matter to do well. Huh? Taking that with a can of Morton's.
"Criminal" series great. Wish there existed entire books of Frank Kafka strips.
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Post by jamescollier on Mar 26, 2024 19:05:32 GMT
I wanted to ask how many people have read feininger's comics and how many people hold them with as much esteem as I do. Yeah I recently picked up a book that came out when there was an exhibit of Feininger's work at the Musée des Beaux arts in Montreal. It's mostly his paintings but has about 6 of his sunday pages which I've been looking at a lot lately, and thinking about when I've been working on new pages. Would really love to find a collection with more of his comics.
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Post by GHO on Mar 26, 2024 20:58:44 GMT
I wanted to ask how many people have read feininger's comics and how many people hold them with as much esteem as I do. Yeah I recently picked up a book that came out when there was an exhibit of Feininger's work at the Musée des Beaux arts in Montreal. It's mostly his paintings but has about 6 of his sunday pages which I've been looking at a lot lately, and thinking about when I've been working on new pages. Would really love to find a collection with more of his comics. if you have 100 bucks to blow I really can't recommend that forgotten fantasy book enough. seeing them at that size just blows away any sort of reprints I have ever seen. i'll stop plugging this book now lol
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Post by arecomicsevengood on Mar 28, 2024 3:57:24 GMT
Read Proof That The Devil Loves You, which is good and compelling and weird in a different way than most of Gilbert's recent work is - i.e. there's not a ton of gross sexual violence. It is still fairly self-referential and feels like you can't fully make sense of it if you're not fully immersed in his recent output, but there's great panels and great sequences, stuff that if excerpted feels powerful and profound rather than just confounding.
But also it goes from Palomar parody/alternate take to funny animal surrealism to outer space to all the different characters Fritz has played in the "movies" meeting each other in a nebulois dissolving reality to the "real" Fritz talking to a dude who has probably been in other comics but I don't remember. I don't even really know what comics I should read to begin to make sense of it.
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Post by manoopuesta on Mar 28, 2024 10:20:26 GMT
Read today The Great Beyond by Léa Murawiec. Super nice. Very interesting story and I really liked the art style, a cool mix of European alt comic and manga.
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Post by slugfizz on Mar 28, 2024 16:55:12 GMT
Late to the party here. I'm sure everyone on this forum is aware of Nate McDonough's "Grixly" minicomics (aka "Longboxes").
Fantastic mix of Nate's overheard conversations, travels across the country, comics shops and comics pals that all transform into funny, unusual, and insightful panels.
Read issues #59-64 last night. If you love comics-- can't recommend highly enough.
Purchased on his Storenvy site. grixlycomix.storenvy.com
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Post by arecomicsevengood on Mar 28, 2024 23:34:02 GMT
Read I Never Found You by Emma Jon-Michael Frank, whose comics I hadn't read before - I had a sort of dismissive stance based on my awareness of collaborative zines with Tara Booth called stuff like "Reasons Not To Kill Yourself." My aversion to mental health content had me pigeonholing them, even though there was also a collaboration with Patrick Kyle whose work I know is not like that. Turns out this fits in well with other Floating World books like the work of Carlos Gonzalez - "novel length thrillers," to quote their old pinned tweet, with a lot of humor, a dark worldview, and drawing with thin open lines that feels like it is meant to tell the story with a minimum of fuss. I Never Found You is about a socially awkward birdwatcher named Egbert who stumbles across a dead person's hand, and uses it as an attempt to get attention, only to turn their birdwatching group against them and slowly go insane as they attempt to find meaning in the universe via "main character syndrome." (My words, not the book's.) I really appreciated the sense of specificity to the birdwatching material. I think I would've liked reading it in serialized installments, the way I am reading Everglide, but I don't think it was released that way. Anyways this is a nice substantial book, with an enjoyable specificity to its birdwatching content, and a certain brutality to its insistence on how tragedy is in fact meaningless and random and cruel that offsets any cuteness the humor brings with it. A great read.
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Post by owaddled on Mar 29, 2024 1:02:45 GMT
Read Proof That The Devil Loves You, which is good and compelling and weird in a different way than most of Gilbert's recent work is - i.e. there's not a ton of gross sexual violence. It is still fairly self-referential and feels like you can't fully make sense of it if you're not fully immersed in his recent output, but there's great panels and great sequences, stuff that if excerpted feels powerful and profound rather than just confounding. But also it goes from Palomar parody/alternate take to funny animal surrealism to outer space to all the different characters Fritz has played in the "movies" meeting each other in a nebulois dissolving reality to the "real" Fritz talking to a dude who has probably been in other comics but I don't remember. I don't even really know what comics I should read to begin to make sense of it. As someone that is fully immersed in his recent output, I'm not sure how much it would add. Except! For the title story. That was originally in Love and Rockets New Stories #5, and it was spliced in with a story of Killer visiting Palomar, and there are panels compositions from the movie that are echoed in the Palomar story. I think the collection Proof That The Devil Loves you is a great tasting menu of Fritz as this framework for freedom for Gilbert and very enjoyable on that level. There hasn't been much backstory on 'the making of' these films. But that feeling like there is meaning is what he excels at. If anyone's curious here's where the 'movies' first aired 1. Proof That The Devil Loves You - L&R New Stories #5, 2012 (interspersed with Palomar story) 2. Untitled Animals in Vegas - Blubber #1, 2015 3. U.S.S. Barbicane - L&R vol. 4 #5, 2018 (interspersed with life at home scenes with Fritz's daughter) 4. Council of Fritzes - New for the collection 5. Monster comic - L&R New Stories #6, 2013 (Eisner nominated!) 6. And then reality kicks in - L&R New Stories #4, 2011 7. Final page - L&R New Stories #7, 2015 (placed at the end of the story Mothers and Daughters and Mothers)
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