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Post by bluebed on Dec 7, 2023 19:25:03 GMT
whitecomics I know, I was just being an ass. Ivan's Cartooning book is a must-read, too, I wish I had something like that early on. We were earlier talking about Peter Blegvad, his book 'Imagine, Observe, Remember' is a great (and unconventional) exploration of style (among other things), also very jealous of his students.
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Post by pentimento on Dec 8, 2023 1:50:08 GMT
whitecomics I know, I was just being an ass. Ivan's Cartooning book is a must-read Does he explain how to draw circles with a circle template, so every "character" looks like a fat-ass insect? Genius stuff! I can picture him and Ware having a private party, slipping their schlongs into circle templates and saying "Yours is bigger!" and "No, yours is bigger!" and then falling together onto a bed of money while rubbing each other's bald head with an eraser bag.
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Post by manoopuesta on Dec 8, 2023 13:40:16 GMT
I can picture him and Ware having a private party, slipping their schlongs into circle templates and saying "Yours is bigger!" and "No, yours is bigger!" and then falling together onto a bed of money while rubbing each other's bald head with an eraser bag. the comic I want for Christmas.
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Post by pentimento on Dec 9, 2023 0:39:10 GMT
Poor Ivan, he's come so far from those stupid anthropomorphized hot-dog characters first featured in the back of Cerebus, lo so many years ago.
Why he's taken seriously, I have no idea. His drawing is nothing more than a boring, stiff reduction of JD King's work, with some of Ware laziest tendencies (goddam circle template, Branford: The Best Bee in the World) tossed in for good measure.
That he tries to fopp himself off as some sort of cartooning guru or sage is preposterous.
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Post by manoopuesta on Dec 9, 2023 13:27:42 GMT
That he tries to fopp himself off as some sort of cartooning guru or sage is preposterous. I feel he doesn't do that, it is the hardcore fans that put him in that position, isn't it? Especially based on his Schizo zines. I haven't read them but from talking about Brunetti with friends I gather Schizo has a cult following of sorts, and these comics ring close with certain generations of (male) readers who were reading them in the 90s. I saw the talk with Brunetti that Noah Van Sciver uploaded in his YT channel some time ago and it was actually painful to hear Ivan belittle himself so much.
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Post by pentimento on Dec 10, 2023 1:04:45 GMT
That he tries to fopp himself off as some sort of cartooning guru or sage is preposterous. I feel he doesn't do that, it is the hardcore fans that put him in that position, isn't it? Especially based on his Schizo zines. I haven't read them but from talking about Brunetti with friends I gather Schizo has a cult following of sorts, and these comics ring close with certain generations of (male) readers who were reading them in the 90s. I saw the talk with Brunetti that Noah Van Sciver uploaded in his YT channel some time ago and it was actually painful to hear Ivan belittle himself so much. I mean the "how to" books and articles, the teaching, etc. His phony "Aw shucks I'm miserable" schtick is abhorrent, as it is with Ware. Ware is a millionaire, and Brunetti isn't far behind.
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Post by slentert on Dec 17, 2023 15:01:18 GMT
i think the biggest thing that pushed my style towards where it is now is just forcing myself to draw with pen only straight to paper with no sketching. just hour after hour in college of staying up until 4am with my friends smoking weed and drawing in a sketchbook with pen only, it makes you look really closely and really pay attention to what you're doing. and if you make a mistake ("mistake") you have to just roll with it and turn it into something else. it becomes more of a dialogue between yourself and the line and i stopped stressing out about making things look "right" and when it was done it was just done. this also leads to developing certain tricks to hiding "mistakes" and making them look intentional. then the final drawing is kind of a surprise and the idea i started with in my head (if there was one) is more like a point in a direction than trying to recreate something i imagined identically. This was one of the most important things in my artistic development as well. Using colored pencils (which can't be easily erased) worked as well. The only problem I have now is that when I try to make something more polished for publication and I work within the usual pencil sketch to ink drawing approach, it doesn't feel nearly as fluent and energetic as the stuff in my sketchbook.
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Post by slugfizz on Jan 2, 2024 7:14:27 GMT
Art teachers always say "don't worry about style. Keep drawing, it'll come naturally." And it does. But sometimes it isn't a distinctive style. I have a friend who tends to say things like-- "I saw this cartoon the other day. It really reminded me of your stuff." This makes me cringe because, of course, I'd like to have a singular style. I doubt I'll try to force a new style in any serious way. What can you do? Just keep drawing and reading Lynda Barry how-to's.
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Post by bluebed on Jan 2, 2024 18:47:43 GMT
slugfizz idk, I think it's good to go between 'just drawing' and being analytical about it, mixing things up, putting constraints. Discomfort can be good for growth.
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Post by slugfizz on Jan 2, 2024 20:10:19 GMT
Thank you, bluebed! Also, thank you for posting link to that Saul Steinberg YouTube talk. He is one of my favorites! I love what he said about when he begins to draw-- it's not him drawing, it's just the hand. Hilarious but also a useful freeing thought. Approach the page with "appetite". His work is amazing.
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Post by bluebed on Jan 3, 2024 1:57:17 GMT
Hmm, I don't remember posting that, but my memory is very poor. Anyway, yes, he's a legend. I'm still annoyed that half of the images in the NYRC reissue of Labirinths are pixelated, like they were printed from a jpg...
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Post by JerrryJames on Jan 3, 2024 11:04:09 GMT
This all feels like a weird coincidence to see you guys talking about Steinberg right now, I literally just purchased a cheap copy of Labyrinth online about 2 hours ago, before reading any of this. That is quite a bummer to hear about the shotty reprinting though, as the copy I bought is definitely the reissued version.
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Post by JerrryJames on Jan 3, 2024 11:19:57 GMT
To trail off of my last comment & stay relevant in this thread; every single time I open up a book by ink slingers such as Saul Steinberg, Ralph Steadman, Tomi Ungerer, etc. I feel like everything I'm doing is wrong & too rigid & like I spend too much time thinking about things before drawing. They inspire me to loosen the fuck up & just go for it (albeit, the feeling is usually rather temporary until I draw a shitty page & realize that I can personally achieve more with my drawing if I think about it more beforehand). But lately I've been flipping through a lot of Ralph Steadman & it never ceases to inspire a bit more looseness in my process.
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Post by dwlynch on Jan 27, 2024 0:26:27 GMT
I while ago I started keeping a sketchbook of observational drawings made on my way to work and during my lunch hour- strictly pen to paper with no underdrawing. Aside from generally improving my drawing and observational skills I think it also taught me a lot about my own 'hand' and how I draw.
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Post by daisyjaberi on Apr 11, 2024 6:11:39 GMT
I agree with that other dude that you should just dose out
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