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Post by bayls171 on Sept 11, 2021 23:02:54 GMT
I've heard people really into comics go on both sides of this, that Hate is horribly dated & continues to age poorly, or that its a timeless comic & a masterpiece.
For my thoughts I read it earlier this year for the first time as someone who wasn't alive during its publication and thought it was excellent and didn't think it felt particularly dated. There's 30 issues, some of it feels pretty 1990s, but for the most part to me it feels like its set in the 90s more than dated.
Anyone else have thoughts?
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Post by zoddman on Sept 11, 2021 23:26:04 GMT
I don't think "dated" is the right term for it, 'Hate' is just very much part of the zeitgeist of the 90's Northwest attitude, and either that works for you or it doesn't. I do think a lot of people conflate their like/dislike of 'Hate' with Peter Bagge's political views (openly Libertarian).
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Post by pumpduncan on Sept 11, 2021 23:46:41 GMT
I like Hate in small portions, an issue or two at a time. I haven't read the full run. That said Bagge's "noodle" style seen when characters are having sex/freaking out is one of my favorite gags in comics.
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Post by disneyweirdness on Sept 12, 2021 0:26:07 GMT
I was aware of it at the time but didn't read it until years later. I wouldn't say it's "dated" but it is very of its time. As an aging Gen Xer I love it.
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Post by maxmorris on Sept 12, 2021 0:38:35 GMT
Hate is a comic I enjoy and if one was born after 1990 I would totally understand if they didn’t get it. Still some killer drawings, regardless of how the subjects have aged. Most humor work doesn’t really age well in my opinion.
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Post by MilleniumDibber on Sept 12, 2021 1:15:44 GMT
I've never read any because of the way it looks (i was born in 1990 if that means anything) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by BubblesZine on Sept 12, 2021 6:43:27 GMT
Masterpiece, but for the certain person. If you grew up going to punk shows in any era I always reccomend it, the Buddy Bradly character and mindset is very 90s, but also timeless and relateable. I also love his art style, super 90s underground style that's so clearly his own.
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Post by Ian M on Sept 12, 2021 7:31:02 GMT
I love it. I started reading it really near the end of its run, in the late 20s, and then went back and read them all. I've read the series 3 or 4 times, years apart, and beyond the art and the characterization, what really gets me is how close to sitcom perfection he gets it. The Simpsons was a great show at the time, but it had a room full of writers pitching off of each other. Bagge was writing at at least a comparable level all by himself.
It also gets me how not part of the scene Bagge feels. Like, it documents all sides of the scenes portrayed, criticizes all sides, and though he obviously sides more with Buddy and Lisa, those two have no shortage of problems either.
Indie comics needs some more creators as industrious as Bagge, who aren't afraid of a little conventionality (as in, releasing consistent material at a regular pace).
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Post by possessed on Sept 12, 2021 8:22:39 GMT
Hate is peak performance. I love that era/style of art and media that indulges in a cynical slackerdom. Buddy’s dialogue is so sharp and focused in terms of how it is written that it really feels like you know him at certain points. Unfortunately it also feels like you ARE him at other points!
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Post by haz on Sept 12, 2021 15:08:56 GMT
Timeless masterpiece!!!
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Post by jjjbradshaw on Sept 12, 2021 16:27:48 GMT
I’ve honestly just never been interested in the art or the vibe. I don’t think the art is poor at all, just not my thing. It’s totally subjective, but that’s why I’ve never read very much of it.
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Post by awfulquiet on Sept 12, 2021 17:06:39 GMT
I like Hate in small portions, an issue or two at a time. I haven't read the full run. That said Bagge's "noodle" style seen when characters are having sex/freaking out is one of my favorite gags in comics. Was having this same thought earlier today as I've been reading more single issues of Hate that I picked up while bin diving recently after before trying to read the collected edition checked out from the library (so I felt compelled to read it as quick as possible). After thinking it definitely wasn't for me I now love reading issues of it here and there.
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Post by lonyowdely on Sept 12, 2021 17:47:27 GMT
I'll pitch in as someone born in 1996 reading Hate for the first time this year.
After reading a couple of issues I might have called it "dated" in the derogatory sense. Once I got used to the world, and even more, once I got to know the characters, I started to love it though. I can take a lot more edgy 90s humor once I can see that it's coming from the characters.
I really like the Simpsons comparison that Ian M made because it eventually was getting consistent full on laughs from me in every issue.
So I definitely wouldn't call it "timeless" in the "feels like it could have been made yesterday" sense, but I do think it's something that future generations can enjoy and love.
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Post by andrewneal on Sept 12, 2021 18:22:43 GMT
I think Hate is a good comic. It definitely has a lot of bad behavior in it, and I think the comics reading audience these days is more likely to condemn a comic as bad or dated if the characters in it are shitheads. Just to pick one of his faults, Buddy is racist, and it seems clear to me that Bagge did that on purpose, as opposed to just absentmindedly letting, like, the racism of the era in which the comic was drawn slip in under the radar.
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Post by hackanut on Sept 12, 2021 19:51:34 GMT
I haven’t quite worked up to reading Hate yet. Read through Neat Stuff last year and found Buddy (specifically) very hateful and immature. To the point of generally not enjoying myself. I get that he’s a shitty teenager and that’s the vibe, no problem. BUT I just can’t get down with what a racist asshole he comes off as. That being said, obviously the art is incredible. NO ONE draws like Bagge. It’s great. Also, The Fall and Rise of Zoove Groover is one of the most interesting comics I’ve read. Using just liner notes to tell a story is genius.
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